anything, either a Zen mystic or a philosopher, but having lived in Asia for 
about eleven years, in a position in which it is important to study the 
cultures, and having in fact read quite a bit about the Hindu and Budhist 
religions, I just felt I had a duty to interject a bit into this discussion 
thread.
Basically, I have omitted quoting any of the rest of your message, because 
I'm afraid that any of the questions you ask with regard to Zen Buddhism just 
don't apply.  You have to realize that questions of reality for a Buddhist 
are very different than they are for anyone in the West.
To a Buddhist or a Hindu, the objective reality that you want to "map" is in 
fact a subjective reality created by minds.  How and what the details of this 
are topics that have led to the founding of the many sub-sects of Buddhism, 
such as Zen.  All Buddhists, however, see their duty to be that of rejecting 
the reality presented to us by our senses, so that we can attain awareness of 
the more fundamental reality.  This is the process of attaining 
"enlightenment", and necessarily encompasses loss of identity, a "return" to 
the "godhead", or whatever you want to call it.
None of the above is really a very good explaination of the complex subtlety 
of a philosophy that has been developing for thousands of years, based as it 
is on the Rig-Veda viewpoint of Hinduism, from which Buddhism emerged 2,500 
years ago, or which Zen is an offshoot of the Japanese version.  All, 
however, share the view that what you are trying to do with CoV is pointless, 
as it is based on an acceptance of objective, sensual reality as truth.
To go farther would take a book, and has, many times.  The short version is 
that all those "mystical" Zen questions are simply aimed at helping the mind 
doubt the validity of the information it receives from the senses, so that it 
can be prepared for an acceptance of higher reality.  All this is in a sense 
mystical and based on faith, but also based on rigorous discipline of the 
mind, and so is a brand of rationalism.
Please don't treat non-Christian, non-Western religions the same as you do 
the European traditions.  They are profoundly different, and deserve that 
that difference be respected.
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C. David Noziglia
Wellington, New Zealand
noziglia@actrix.gen.nz
"Blessed are those who have no expectations,
for they will never be disappointed."
     Kautiliya Shakhamuni Sidhartha Gautama Buddha
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