Dear Virians,
     Perhaps we could clear this up a bit by looking at the 
Socrates > Plato > Aristotole progression as a step-by-step means of 
solving this problem.
     Socrates first introduced the problem of the basis of knowledge 
by repetitively asking for the basis of each statement in a system of 
knowledge. Since fields of knowledge cannot (by definition) be 
infinitely regressive, this line of questioning necessarily ends 
either in a circular argument or an "I don't know" admission. This 
necessarily creates a state of intellectual chaos, since it points 
out that no knowledge has any firm foundation within itself.
     Plato found an apparent solution to this in the concept of the 
ideal, and in the concept that the real was at best an approximation 
of the ideal (neo-Platonism seems to have developed to explain how 
this applies to natural phenomena as opposed to human construction). 
In this view, knowledge systems developed because the base 
assumptions of the systems preexisted the development of the systems 
in the real world, they themselves existing in the ideal world. The 
problem with this is that two or more systems could have 
contradictory assumptions, which would both exist as ideals; but this 
was rectified by the addition of the concept that the source of the 
ideal (as in the neo-Platonic Qabbalistic idea of God) contained all 
dualities and could express them at will as elements of the ideal 
world.
     However, this could not explain why some ideas explicitly 
contradicted elemnts of the real (ex.: Matter is unsubstantial, so I 
should be able to put my hand through this wall. Why can't I do it?). 
This Aristotle attempted to rectify by placing an emphasis on 
empirical observation; however, this simply provided holes for the 
Socratic methodology again, unless some Platonic elements were 
allowed to remain (such as in the arena of metaphysics), supported by 
some empirical observation but not testable in themselves.
     The statement that "there are no absolute truths" can thus be 
taken to mean one of two things:
     (1). It is a refutation of Platonic philosophy in its entirety, 
denying the existence of the ideal, yet not going so far as to apply 
Socratic methodology to empirical evidence; or
     (2). It is a statement of the Socratic philosophy in its entirety.
     The first statement leaves the host of this memetic complex open 
to attack by the Socratic methodology, which must be assumed to be 
invalid in order to preserve the integrity of the complex. This 
avoids, instead of solves, the problem. However, the second statement 
leaves the host open to the intellectual chaos that necessarily 
results.
     This problem was solved by Nietzsche, who stated that the 
procedure of philosophy was to question all ideas until the Abyss was 
reached (i.e., the intellectual chaos of Socratic procedure), then 
pretend that the Abyss does not exist by constructing one's personal 
philosophy and invalidating or ignoring anything that contradicts it. 
This was the method by which he arrived at his philosophy of the will 
to power.
     At the risk of starting old arguments again, this is the 
definition of Mr. Brodie's level-3 activity, which is not so much a 
higher-than-thou state as it is a solution to the inherent 
instability of memetic complexes. Memetics seems at heart nothing 
more than a codified means of Socratic methodology, and the level-3 
mind seems a natural result of a full memetic stance. The level-2 
mind, as applied to atheism, would thus be the (2) statement of "there
are no ultimate truths" mentioned above, where truth is still held to be
the result 
of empirical observation. Expression of level-2 thinking in other 
perspectives is a mix of this with a greater or lesser amount of 
Platonistic thought.
     Level-1 thinking would result from either a total lack of 
logical thought or an application of Socratic methodology until the 
idea of logic is dismissed entirely as having no basis whatsoever.
In Sum:
     (1). The statement that "there are no ultimate truths" is not 
self-contradictory. In the Socratic perspective, it is merely a 
statement for the benefit of explaining to people not holding that 
perspective how nonsensical all knowledge is. In the materialist 
perspective, it is simply a refutation of the Platonistic perspective 
whole-hog.
     (2). Level 1, 2 and 3 minds have a basis in philosophical 
perspective, and are thus not arbitrary divisions nor normative 
statements of how people should think. Moreover, the level-3 mind is 
a necessary by-product of a full application of memetic theory.
     Toward the accumulation of useful information,
     Noctem