M> Ken Sartor wrote :-
> 
> > I think the subject is complex enough that there is more room for
> >  debate than what you present above...
> >  
> >  My personal beliefs happen to think that "women and as people of color"
> >  are not the only ones affected (one way or another) by this topic.
> >  
> >  Also - the apparent lack of symmetry in the topic also bothers me.
> >  If a man impregnates a women she can solely determine whether to
> >  bear the child or not.  If married, he may lose his child, if single
> >  he may be forced to pay child support for 2 decades.  All regardless
> >  of what he chooses.
> >  
> >  (Maybe men should be allowed a "paper abortion".  If they choose to
> >  get it, they lose all rights and responsibilities to the child.  But
> >  they have to get it before the child is born, subject to the
> >  same rules that constrain women on getting real abortions. ???)
> >  
> >  Again, the topic strikes me as very complex and emotionally charged.
> 
> This argument would be valid if the fetus physically occupied the man's body as well. It has been argued, and I 
> agree 100%, that if men could get pregnant, the Congress would pass a "right to abortion" law in a minute.
> 
> Women aren't breed-cows who have to carry out a function for family purposes. If a man is so concerned he may 
> impregnate a woman and have to pay child support - he should get a much socially praised vasectomy. No one will 
> block him a the clinic, and there won't be any need for a 15-foot clearance rule from the Supreme Court.
> 
> BTW, if I formed a church call "Order of the Sacred Seed" and then used my political power making it illegal 
> for men to have vasectomies because it violated my "religious" beliefs, would you fall in line? Everything is 
> relative, you just have to shift your point of view a little bit to expose well-meaning tyrannical sentiments.
> 
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