> At 10:51 PM 18/11/96 +0000, Hakeeb A. Nandalal wrote:
> 
> >Darwin's Black Box : The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution
> >by Michael J. Behe
> >
> >Amazon.com Books:
> >Michael J. Behe, a biochemist at Lehigh University, presents here a
> >scientific argument for the existence of God. Examining the evolutionary
> >theory of the origins of life, he can go part of the way with Darwin--he
> >accepts the idea that species have been differentiated by the mechanism of
> >natural selection from a common ancestor. But he thinks that the essential
> >randomness of this process can explain evolutionary development only at the
> >macro level, not at the micro level of his expertise. Within the
> >biochemistry of living cells, he argues, life is "irreducibly complex." This
> >is the last black box to be opened, the end of the road for science. Faced
> >with complexity at this level, Behe suggests that it can only be the product
> >of "intelligent design."
> 
> >Something tells me this one won't make the David M. "suggested reading" list.
> 
> That would be a good bet. Is it just me or does this sound like
> a "failure of imagination" argument? I don't have a degree in biochemistry
> but I still have trouble seeing how the biochemistry of cells could
> be "irreducibly complex." Are there any list members who can enlighten me?
There's a fallacious concept floating around, it landed in that book, and 
it has at least one advocate in the Ivy League, judging by a recent lecture 
that was mandatory for me to attend.  [I don't think its originator was a 
physicist!]
WARNING: INADEQUATELY TRUE STATEMENT
"Physics is simple; biology is complex."
END INADEQUATELY TRUE STATEMENT
I have played with both fields.  The above results from a myopic view:
Physics has relatively few definitions, that can be easily translated 
into math.  Fudge constants usually require conceptually simple 
measurements to define.  [As CERN demonstrates by its very existence, 
Biology has relatively many definitions, that are difficult to translate 
precisely into math: many fudge constants are necessary, and (almost?) all 
must be determined empirically rather than from a few simple measurements.
[Formally speaking, each species requires its own specialization of a 
definition, at least.]
[Myopic view ends here]
Physics has phenomenally complicated interactions.  The math describing 
these interactions is almost invariably a system Partial Differential 
Equations, where the first question is "does the @#?! solution exist?"
Biology [insofar as its interactions are understood], usually ends up on 
large scales as a [possibly time-dependent] system of Ordinary 
Differential Equations.  This is much more tractable than the interactions 
in physics.  Existence and/or uniqueness of solutions is easy to 
determine, even if actual computation is extremely difficult.  
Probability complicates the computation at small scales.
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I don't know which field is more complex.  I *do* know that the complexity 
in Physics lies in the interactions, while the complexity in Biology lies 
in the definitions.
Undoubtedly, as biochemistry is reduced to normal physics, the complexity 
will shift from the definitions to the interactions.  This will "reduce 
the complexity", for the definitions.  The complexity moves over to the 
interactions.
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