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> On 28 Nov 96 at 13:30, Ken Pantheists wrote:
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> > I said:
> > > - The two are necessarily different because one can be used to construct
> > > the other.
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> > Martin asked:
> > But can that difference be shown formally? I don't think it can.
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> > YES Seeing is not thinking.
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> But *thinking* you see is indistinguishable from seeing.
YES IT IS!!!!
I can *think* I see with my eyes closed, but that doesn't fool me.
Now, being *deluded* that I'm seeing is indistinguishable from seeing, 
subjectively--but quite distinguishable objectively.
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