> On Sun, 2 Feb 1997 zaimoni@ksu.edu wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, Tim Rhodes wrote:
> > > On 1 Feb 1997, David Rosdeitcher wrote:
> > >
> > > > Consciousness
> > > > does not simply perceive a subjective definition of existence, but
> > > > existence itself, (even though each person has a different point of
> > > > view, has limited knowledge, different sense organs, biases, etc -a
> > > > different experience, they are still perceiving existence directly.)
> > >
> > > This is beautiful! Objective reallity is defined /AS/ Subjective reality.
> > > Marvelous!!! Undercut the whole question and cut to the chase. Now, is
> > > objective reallity, therefore, as flexible as subjective reallity?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Prof. Tim
> >
> > The entire question is more intricate than the above suggests. Here's
> > my current model:
> >
> > 1) "Subjective reality" <> "Objective reality".
> > 2) "Subjective reality" is "what I have direct experience of". This
> > isn't exactly reliable; for instance, the visual aspect assumes that the
> > hardware isn't trying to quit while I'm awake. [For instance, watching
> > one's visual parsing momentarily crash while taking notes to capture
> > *everything* on the blackboard, in real time, gets interesting. Sheer
> > fatigue.]
> > 3) "Objective reality" is "what runs subjective reality." Much effort
> > has gone into subjectively understanding and manipulating objective reality.
> >
>
> Yes, but does consciousness perceive the objective or subjective?
As I see it [this is common to all of my reference frames], consciousness
is fundamentally incapable of perceiving objective reality. It *only*
perceives subjective reality. Sufficiently good modeling may allow
neglecting the difference on some time scales.
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