> David R. wrote:
> >Another example of such an honest disagreement is Kenneth
> >Boyd's insistance that the subjective experience comes before the objective.
> >This is not true-we first assert "It is" and then "I am aware of it" and,
> >furthermore, there is evidence that the act of self-reference must be proceeded
> >by identifying things "out there". (Another discussion)
> 
> It is fascinating what Kenneth brought up.  I heard about some research
> where they found that a decision for a simple reaction (measured by brain
> impulses) was made before the conscious decision, as if consciousness was
> only informed about the decision.  It is consistent with Francis Crick's
> model of Free Will in his "The Astonishing Hypothesis, the Scientific Search
> for the Soul".  I think this topic is worth our time.
It's *much* more intricate!
SUMMARY:
     Shortest measured reaction time, circa 1980 is on the close order of 
0.1 seconds [say, 0.11 or 0.12 or 0.10].
     1995 [Some Science News]: The objective time required to make an 
elementary decision is measured: on the close order of 0.3 seconds.
"Wait a minute!  How do I cram 0.3 seconds into 0.1 second????"
     1996 [Scientific American, theme issue consciousness]: Detailed 
research into subjective vs. objective time measures demonstrates that 
the brain automatically compensates for a 0.2 second time lag between 
the senses and its reactions.  I.e.: Take a stopwatch running at 
resolution of 0.1 second.  When you see _.0 seconds, it is physically 
showing _.2 seconds.
     The missing 0.2 seconds is now accounted for, at the cost of *MAJOR 
RESEARCH INTO PHYSICS NEEDED TO REMOVE MYSTICAL SPECULATIONS!*
[These are likely to involve General Relativity; there's some interesting 
trivia about the Classical Relativistic Electron that is relevant....]
I propose that any "phenomenon" that has these effects isn't illusory 
within our shared virtual reality.
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