Hmm... I've been thinking a kind of thought
about this kind of issue lately...
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>[PUTS ON CHEMICAL BROTHERS' NEW ALBUM, "DIG YOUR OWN HOLE", VIRGIN RECORDS
>=A313.49]
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[PUTS ON BILL HICKS' NEW ALBUM, "RANT IN E-MINOR" , 1997, RYKODISC.
>What if the recursion didn't go /upwards/, but /forwards in time/?
[TAKES BILL OFF COS HE IS TOO FUNNY TO HAVE IN BACKGROUND BUT =
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T WAS GOOD FOR ONE MORE HOFSTADTERIAN LINE] =20
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>(Freeforming like a mutha)
(Freeforming like a father ;-)
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>Is consciousness a kind of autopoietic thing? Like my body, maintained as
>its cells reproduce, and thus continuing its existence? So, it CAN be
>self-referential, but the build-up of levels kind of falls forward into the
>/time/ dimension? And if so, is part of the deal that you always FORGET
>early iterations of the loops? IE, you cease to be aware of the ideas on
>which your current ideas are based, and the cells which gave rise to your
>current cells die...?
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In this model what is sleep. Is it when. Is sleep when biuld-up=20
of levels never gets to representing itself? (I am with Dennet on the=20
boilogical role of sleep, asking what biological role of being awake is=20
is more revealing (ans. eat + get laid...ever wonder why there is no=20
more desire for consciousness after a good meal/shag esp. BOTH)).
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>[ALL THIS ASSUMES SELF-REPLICATION AND SELF-REFERENCE ARE BOUND TOGETHER
>FAIRLY CLOSELY]
Could self reference be a kind of self-replication in time but=20
not space type thing? I am loosely thinking of the mind as bound in=20
physical space with ideas that grow exponentially into them.
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>Maybe... the self-birthing (ha ha ha ha ha) process that I call my evolving
>consciousness stops when entropy kills its physical substrate? (Sorry for
>this downer image: I'm developing moles and a flabby stomach.) ...Like
>Complex Order self-organises and propagates in the physical universe, until
>entropy caps its progress?
Only I know the truth. You are a 19 yr old glamour model who=20
cannot resist a man with a bulging library.
Tony Hindle.
=46rom nothing came complexity and entropy and their interaction.
Complexity, entropy and their interaction is nothing.