Re: virus: Translation

Sodom (sodom@ma.ultranet.com)
Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:41:46 -0400


Brett Lane Robertson wrote
> Read it, have no problem with it; but you are adding energy into a closed
> system above and saying that the less ordered energy cannot escape (it is a
> closed system for the product but not for the process?) Also, you are
> saying that this applies to EITHER energy, or matter, or information
> (interchangably). But relativly, it applies to ALL of them
> indiscriminately...that is if you move matter to another position within a
> relative system then both information and energy are equally affected...and
> the law you propose says that the amount of disorder cannot decrease (well,
> is matter disorder in regards to energy; then, convert matter to energy and
> information becomes more disordered--no overall gain or loss...the same with
> conversions of information to matter in regards to energy: This is
> translation. And information--were it a separate entity from matter or
> energy--would seem to conserve itself in the disordered form only long
> enough to be re-infused with order by the next translation).
>
> A: I'm not sure if information is something other than matter or
> energy...if so, what?
>
> B: The argument by the anti-creationist web page (that more energy is
> always being added to this otherwise "closed" system) won't cut it...Where
> does the entropy escape to?
>
> Brett
>
> Returning,
> rBERTS%n
> Rabble Sonnet Retort
> Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence.
>
> H. L. Mencken
>

No, you are still mssing the point. Convertion from anything to anything
requires energy - Converting gasoline to kenetic force as in a car from
instance (matter to energy) is a good example. When breaking the
molecular bonds, only a tiny amount of this energy actually used, a few
% of the energy is converted to kenetic energy. the rest is lost. You
can never get 100% conversion. Information is still stored at the
quantum level. All information is. Converting it means losing come of
it.

Infomation is energy and matter. It is - it requires quantum existence
to exist itself.

As for:
> B: The argument by the anti-creationist web page (that more energy is
> always being added to this otherwise "closed" system) won't cut it...Where
> does the entropy escape to?

I'm not sure I understand this question, or I am sure you don't
understand the implications of the 2nd law. Life on Earth is not a
closed system. I t receives energy from the sun, The Sun gets it's
energy from fusing Hydrogen into Helium. Beacuse of the huge amount of
hydrogen in the universe, and gravity, our particular clump of fusing
hydrogen formed with the local group of stars about 5.5 billion years
ago from what must then have been an older nebula, hydrogen cloud or the
like. We see this type of development everywhere we look into space.

The extra entropy you speak of is lost by the Sun. Its conversion if far
from perfect, and it will eventually run out of "gas" when this happens,
this system on earth will freeze and it's slide will be much more
obvious.

Also, humans are not very efficient also, most of our energy intake
leaves us. Through waste or heat. As you have noticed the human body
works very hard to stay at a functioning temperature, and humans have a
very narrow range of operating temperatures.

Trust me Brett, as soon as this law sinks in, your life will become much
better. This tool is vital to problem solving.

Sodom